tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post710798319796433986..comments2023-06-17T23:38:33.588-04:00Comments on Transcend & Include: Stumped by Trump? Ken Wilber says evolution calls us to reach out and regroupTeri Murphyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07980257720461885774noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post-48732483721617172662020-07-14T16:20:45.891-04:002020-07-14T16:20:45.891-04:00Does Ken or any other spiral thinker/writers talk ...Does Ken or any other spiral thinker/writers talk about the psycho-biology of these holons? Now we have good recent research on brain differences, showing at least 30% heritability (based on fraternal vs identical twins). I think just as interesting and enlightening is, as some older research shows, that environmental factors not only influence our political (root color) orientation, but do so in a way that changes the structure and function of our nervous system.<br /><br />If you have any links to articles on this I'd be v. grateful!<br /><br />NamasteFlux Poeticahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16689643739018618767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post-46248914465183127742017-11-05T17:40:29.240-05:002017-11-05T17:40:29.240-05:00Thanks Guido. To your point, right now I'm enj...Thanks Guido. To your point, right now I'm enjoying the sitcom "The Good Place" in which a moral philosopher always has the right answer, but that never helps the situation. Teri Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07980257720461885774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post-69475943692893968092017-11-05T09:21:08.067-05:002017-11-05T09:21:08.067-05:00The communist case was just one example, but an ob...The communist case was just one example, but an obvious one because many people in academia still think that "true" communism hasn't been tried because it never ushered in he promised utopia, not realising that the truth of a set of ideas isn't always measured by internal logical consistency but is also somewhat Darwinian and the truth plays out in action. Fundamentally it's because logical consistency is a weak measure of truth because the system still relies on axiomatic assumptions which may or may not be justified in making - these axiomatic assumptions play out in the sphere of life, and can unexpectedly lead to disastrous consequences because we are (necessarily) ignorant of the full range of implications of any axiomatic assumption. Science has been incredibly successful at describing the world but there are places where it is edging up against its own limitations -<br />In consciousness research for instance and in quantum mechanics - that is because it excludes the subjective as an axiomatic assumption of its preconditions for truth which has been immensely beneficial but may turn out to be limiting 1000 years after its inception say.guidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991618098146446449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post-20927089321124613812017-11-05T09:13:15.382-05:002017-11-05T09:13:15.382-05:00Another major problem with relativism is that alth...Another major problem with relativism is that although infinite interpretations of a text or the world are possible, they do not all have equal utility. Some interpretations lead to death and collapse and it is actually a very bounded problem which assumptions lead to a stable societal structure. It may not be theoretically obvious that a post modern communist utopia leads to mass poverty, starvation and violence but it seems to be the case that the underlying assumptions about the world are not true enough to allow for stable functioning over a long time period. That's one of the reasons why radical relativism is only partly true - there are infinite interpretations of any phenomenon, but an interpretation is a theory and a theory is a toll, and different tools have different levels of utility.guidohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991618098146446449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post-19903752988737795062017-02-14T20:08:17.461-05:002017-02-14T20:08:17.461-05:00Thanks for stopping by, Nan. The way that I curren...Thanks for stopping by, Nan. The way that I currently grasp it is that there ARE oppressors and victims in certain planes or states of reality. But viewed from other planes, those distinctions dissolve. If I choose to take action on the "lower" plane, I will be more effective if I can simultaneously hold the "higher" in mind. Tall order! --TeriTeri Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07980257720461885774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post-71219045115377163112017-02-14T17:53:28.403-05:002017-02-14T17:53:28.403-05:00Yeah, I had given up on an objective Truth. Happy...Yeah, I had given up on an objective Truth. Happy to hear Ken inviting me to reconsider that.<br /><br />I'm open and willing, but I haven't quite yet understood his argument. I'll keep working on it. I've been working on being inclusive of previous stages for many years. That one I get, but have found it quite a challenge to practice. The idea that there are no oppressors or victims, only evolutionary stages was extremely helpful to me.Nan Hendersonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8576048168895917151.post-4931956792528534162017-01-19T15:53:15.398-05:002017-01-19T15:53:15.398-05:00Thanks for this analysis, I loved the piece. I don...Thanks for this analysis, I loved the piece. I don't have my notes with me at the moment and/but I thought one of the major thrusts of the article is that Green's have created/live in a worldview where all truth is relative...and there is nothing more true than any other thing, which is categorically not true. <br /><br />In my mind, I have an image of a unique organism coming into existence, emerging, growing, developing seemingly well and then for seemingly no reason it wilts and ceases to exist...and then the organism emerges again creating/embracing/accepting a better informed Holon and begins to thrive. <br /><br />The Greens took two steps forward...and have simply taken one step back the article seems to say. This/our level of consciousness can grow, adapt and thrive again and include more of the good/true/beautiful. Ananda001https://www.blogger.com/profile/11363063563882835993noreply@blogger.com